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Comments on: ‘The Help’ Controversy: Davis, Smiley and Harris-Perry on Art vs Real Racism in the Jim Crow South-Videos http://lgbtpov.frontiersla.com/2012/02/27/the-help-controversy-davis-smiley-and-harris-perry-on-art-vs-real-racism-in-the-jim-crow-south-videos/ Tue, 21 May 2013 11:13:01 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Sage http://lgbtpov.frontiersla.com/2012/02/27/the-help-controversy-davis-smiley-and-harris-perry-on-art-vs-real-racism-in-the-jim-crow-south-videos/#comment-27114 Sage Sun, 04 Mar 2012 14:31:35 +0000 http://lgbtpov.frontiersla.com/?p=38013#comment-27114 CORRECTED VERSION WITHOUT TYPO'S The reason you desire to take my input with a grain of salt has nothing to do with me and everything to do with yourself. You have a tendency to speak excathedra in your comments on this blog. I call you on it and you, like so many other people, obviously don’t like to be called on your sh*t. So rather than take responsibility for your actions, it appears to be easier for you to attempt to project your issues onto me, again, because you obviously don’t want to take responsibility for your actions. As for your last comment there, it is utter nonsense. What I did in the “previous post” was state what my personal experience were with regard to experiencing racism in the world. I did not make a globalized comment about racism in the world in general. Again, in your excathedra speak, in your comment on that post decided that it was appropriate for you to TELL ME what my OWN experience was in that instance simply because it was not in alignment with what you want to be true. I did not let you do that. Those are the differences. And they are HUGE. You seem to like to speak for all kinds of groups of people, presumably because your own inflated assessment of yourself tells you that’s OK. I, on the other hand make “I”statements and only take responsibility for my own individual truth unlike you who wants to take responsibility for countless others who have not given you permission to speak for them. Finally, this statement of yours, “Either way, I don’t need your approval to speak. I don’t need to submit to some litmus test to speak rationally just because you think that your lineage somehow makes your points about racial relations foolproof.”–is again, utter projection on your part. I have not said anything that indicates my belief that “my lineage” gives me carte blanche permission to make “foolproof” racial assertions. Again, this is you attempting to project your stuff onto me once again, presumably because you don’t like the fact that I call you on your sh*t. So you attempt to flip the script, as it were, because of that. Not because of what I say. But because you apparently don't liked being called out. I’m onto all the little tricks you try to use in order to try to avoid being called out by me. None of them will work. Not on me they won’t. So you just keep on trying. I’ll call you out, whenever you use a previously exposed trick or a new one, every chance I get. CORRECTED VERSION WITHOUT TYPO’S

The reason you desire to take my input with a grain of salt has nothing to do with me and everything to do with yourself. You have a tendency to speak excathedra in your comments on this blog. I call you on it and you, like so many other people, obviously don’t like to be called on your sh*t. So rather than take responsibility for your actions, it appears to be easier for you to attempt to project your issues onto me, again, because you obviously don’t want to take responsibility for your actions.

As for your last comment there, it is utter nonsense. What I did in the “previous post” was state what my personal experience were with regard to experiencing racism in the world. I did not make a globalized comment about racism in the world in general. Again, in your excathedra speak, in your comment on that post decided that it was appropriate for you to TELL ME what my OWN experience was in that instance simply because it was not in alignment with what you want to be true. I did not let you do that. Those are the differences. And they are HUGE. You seem to like to speak for all kinds of groups of people, presumably because your own inflated assessment of yourself tells you that’s OK. I, on the other hand make “I”statements and only take responsibility for my own individual truth unlike you who wants to take responsibility for countless others who have not given you permission to speak for them.

Finally, this statement of yours, “Either way, I don’t need your approval to speak. I don’t need to submit to some litmus test to speak rationally just because you think that your lineage somehow makes your points about racial relations foolproof.”–is again, utter projection on your part. I have not said anything that indicates my belief that “my lineage” gives me carte blanche permission to make “foolproof” racial assertions. Again, this is you attempting to project your stuff onto me once again, presumably because you don’t like the fact that I call you on your sh*t. So you attempt to flip the script, as it were, because of that. Not because of what I say. But because you apparently don’t liked being called out. I’m onto all the little tricks you try to use in order to try to avoid being called out by me. None of them will work. Not on me they won’t. So you just keep on trying. I’ll call you out, whenever you use a previously exposed trick or a new one, every chance I get.

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By: Sage http://lgbtpov.frontiersla.com/2012/02/27/the-help-controversy-davis-smiley-and-harris-perry-on-art-vs-real-racism-in-the-jim-crow-south-videos/#comment-27111 Sage Sun, 04 Mar 2012 13:59:25 +0000 http://lgbtpov.frontiersla.com/?p=38013#comment-27111 The reason you desire to take my input with a grain of salt has nothing to do with me and everything to do with you. You have a tendency to speak excathedra in your comments on this blog. I call you on it and you, like so many other people don't like to be called on your sh*t. So rather than take responsibility for how do this its simply easier for you to project your issues onto me, again, because you obviously don't want to take responsibility for your action. As for your last comment, it is utter nonsense. What I did in the "previous post" was state what my personal experience was with regard to experiencing racism in the world. I did not make a globalized comment about racism in the world in general. Again, in your excathedra speak in your comment on that post you decided that it was appropriate for you to TELL ME what my own experience was in that instance simply because it was not in alignment with what you want to be true. Those are the differences. And they are HUGE. You like to speak for all kinds of groups of people, presumably because you own inflated assessment of yourself tells you that's OK. I, on the other hand make "I"statements and only take responsibility for my own truth unlike you who wants to take responsibility for countless others who have not given you permission to speak for them. Finally, this statement, "Either way, I don’t need your approval to speak. I don’t need to submit to some litmus test to speak rationally just because you think that your lineage somehow makes your points about racial relations foolproof."--is again utter projection on your part. I have not said anything that indicates my belief that "my lineage" gives me carte blanche permission to make "foolproof" racial assertions. Again, that is you projecting onto me because you don't like the fact that I call you sh*t so you attempt to flip the script because of it. I'm onto all your little tricks you use to try to avoid being called out. None of them will work, not on me they won't. So you keep trying. I'll call you out every chance I get. The reason you desire to take my input with a grain of salt has nothing to do with me and everything to do with you. You have a tendency to speak excathedra in your comments on this blog. I call you on it and you, like so many other people don’t like to be called on your sh*t. So rather than take responsibility for how do this its simply easier for you to project your issues onto me, again, because you obviously don’t want to take responsibility for your action.

As for your last comment, it is utter nonsense. What I did in the “previous post” was state what my personal experience was with regard to experiencing racism in the world. I did not make a globalized comment about racism in the world in general. Again, in your excathedra speak in your comment on that post you decided that it was appropriate for you to TELL ME what my own experience was in that instance simply because it was not in alignment with what you want to be true. Those are the differences. And they are HUGE. You like to speak for all kinds of groups of people, presumably because you own inflated assessment of yourself tells you that’s OK. I, on the other hand make “I”statements and only take responsibility for my own truth unlike you who wants to take responsibility for countless others who have not given you permission to speak for them.

Finally, this statement, “Either way, I don’t need your approval to speak. I don’t need to submit to some litmus test to speak rationally just because you think that your lineage somehow makes your points about racial relations foolproof.”–is again utter projection on your part. I have not said anything that indicates my belief that “my lineage” gives me carte blanche permission to make “foolproof” racial assertions. Again, that is you projecting onto me because you don’t like the fact that I call you sh*t so you attempt to flip the script because of it. I’m onto all your little tricks you use to try to avoid being called out. None of them will work, not on me they won’t. So you keep trying. I’ll call you out every chance I get.

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By: Lucrece http://lgbtpov.frontiersla.com/2012/02/27/the-help-controversy-davis-smiley-and-harris-perry-on-art-vs-real-racism-in-the-jim-crow-south-videos/#comment-26967 Lucrece Fri, 02 Mar 2012 04:32:57 +0000 http://lgbtpov.frontiersla.com/?p=38013#comment-26967 Family is Half-Catholic, half-Jewish. Some mulatto on part of my father's mostly Caucasian, and Mediterranean on my mother. Either way, I don't need your approval to speak. I don't need to submit to some litmus test to speak rationally just because you think that your lineage somehow makes your points about racial relations foolproof. You had no problem earlier making claims about how white gay men are more racist and the source of black LGBT troubles than the actual 95% of the remaining population. So forgive me if I take any input of yours with a grain of salt. Family is Half-Catholic, half-Jewish. Some mulatto on part of my father’s mostly Caucasian, and Mediterranean on my mother.

Either way, I don’t need your approval to speak. I don’t need to submit to some litmus test to speak rationally just because you think that your lineage somehow makes your points about racial relations foolproof.

You had no problem earlier making claims about how white gay men are more racist and the source of black LGBT troubles than the actual 95% of the remaining population. So forgive me if I take any input of yours with a grain of salt.

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By: Sage http://lgbtpov.frontiersla.com/2012/02/27/the-help-controversy-davis-smiley-and-harris-perry-on-art-vs-real-racism-in-the-jim-crow-south-videos/#comment-26835 Sage Wed, 29 Feb 2012 00:14:48 +0000 http://lgbtpov.frontiersla.com/?p=38013#comment-26835 I believe poet,writer and professor at The University of Oklahoma, Honorée Fanonne Jeffers, addresses the whole issue of "artistic freedom" that Viola Davis is attempting (and poorly so in my opinion) to tackle in that above quote from The Tavis Smiley Show as well as the naming of the core issue (Negro Respectability) AND placing it all within its proper historical context in The African American community, is done in expert manner in her recent essay on the pertinent topics here: http://ravenanda.blogspot.com/2012/02/on-help-viola-davis-and-black-art-vs.html I believe poet,writer and professor at The University of Oklahoma, Honorée Fanonne Jeffers, addresses the whole issue of “artistic freedom” that Viola Davis is attempting (and poorly so in my opinion) to tackle in that above quote from The Tavis Smiley Show as well as the naming of the core issue (Negro Respectability) AND placing it all within its proper historical context in The African American community, is done in expert manner in her recent essay on the pertinent topics here: http://ravenanda.blogspot.com/2012/02/on-help-viola-davis-and-black-art-vs.html

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By: Sage http://lgbtpov.frontiersla.com/2012/02/27/the-help-controversy-davis-smiley-and-harris-perry-on-art-vs-real-racism-in-the-jim-crow-south-videos/#comment-26834 Sage Wed, 29 Feb 2012 00:01:03 +0000 http://lgbtpov.frontiersla.com/?p=38013#comment-26834 What I take away from your comment is that you are comfortable speaking at least in part for the Cuban American experience and you provide some familial/genealogical information to support that comfortableness. Thank you for that. You are also comfortable speaking for "some" Jewish people and you are similarly comfortable speaking for at least "some" African Americans. However, you have not provided similar familial/genealogical or other information to realistically justify speaking for these groups as well. Please provide some information explaining why you can speak on the behalf of even "some" of the people in these groups. If you cannot provide that information or if in fact you really have no right to speak for such groups, I suggest you stop doing so, now. What I take away from your comment is that you are comfortable speaking at least in part for the Cuban American experience and you provide some familial/genealogical information to support that comfortableness. Thank you for that. You are also comfortable speaking for “some” Jewish people and you are similarly comfortable speaking for at least “some” African Americans. However, you have not provided similar familial/genealogical or other information to realistically justify speaking for these groups as well. Please provide some information explaining why you can speak on the behalf of even “some” of the people in these groups. If you cannot provide that information or if in fact you really have no right to speak for such groups, I suggest you stop doing so, now.

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By: A.J. http://lgbtpov.frontiersla.com/2012/02/27/the-help-controversy-davis-smiley-and-harris-perry-on-art-vs-real-racism-in-the-jim-crow-south-videos/#comment-26786 A.J. Tue, 28 Feb 2012 08:58:16 +0000 http://lgbtpov.frontiersla.com/?p=38013#comment-26786 We love Tavis, but in this instance we have to wonder why his brain is unplugged. It is idiotic to suppose that Hattie McDaniel played a black maid in 1937 to the same effect that Spencer and Davis did in 2011 -- frank racism was not the main point of "Gone With The Wind" but with "The Help" it was. The take-home messages between these two movies is entirely different. To suggest that the racial sensibilities of both filmmakers and film viewers haven't changed in seven decades is simply nonsense. We love Tavis, but in this instance we have to wonder why his brain is unplugged. It is idiotic to suppose that Hattie McDaniel played a black maid in 1937 to the same effect that Spencer and Davis did in 2011 — frank racism was not the main point of “Gone With The Wind” but with “The Help” it was. The take-home messages between these two movies is entirely different. To suggest that the racial sensibilities of both filmmakers and film viewers haven’t changed in seven decades is simply nonsense.

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By: Lucrece http://lgbtpov.frontiersla.com/2012/02/27/the-help-controversy-davis-smiley-and-harris-perry-on-art-vs-real-racism-in-the-jim-crow-south-videos/#comment-26768 Lucrece Tue, 28 Feb 2012 03:21:24 +0000 http://lgbtpov.frontiersla.com/?p=38013#comment-26768 I'm curious why some of these commentators insists that their visions and horror story should be in the screen instead of the experiences of those who did not have horror stories. At one point the guy in a hat commented that he was appaled that a woman was wrongly beaten and in jail, and she was joking about it. Sorry that he can't see an alternative to being bitter. My father is a Cuban American among several Cuban Americans that were beaten bloody and abused by Castro's regime, and they still found time for some black humor even while they were beat up. Some even would piss off the jailors and get themselves beaten further by mocking the situation. There's a point where you need to pull past the resentment, or it will stagnate you. If at any moment you let injustice prevent you from being happy, you've ceded ground to the injustice. You can still fight for change while looking at the irony in life with a humorous outlook. Let's talk about Tavis -- his comment about jews was really offensive. For jews, the Holocaust is not their only defining experience. Some Jews are sick of Holocaust movies as the only place where Jews are depicted. Similarly to how gay people get annoyed when put as the effeminate gay best friend playing second fiddle and living vicariously through the straight female. Similarly, some black people get tired, and I sympathize with Viola Davis, with the propensity for dwelling in the dark moments. Some black people are sick of the ghetto horror stories, and the "I was poor and socially marginalized but managed to overcome" storylines. Good movies don't concern themselves with preaching to the audience. They're not meant to be educational. They can be accidentally educational, but educating their audience should not be a chief concern to the writers. I’m curious why some of these commentators insists that their visions and horror story should be in the screen instead of the experiences of those who did not have horror stories.

At one point the guy in a hat commented that he was appaled that a woman was wrongly beaten and in jail, and she was joking about it. Sorry that he can’t see an alternative to being bitter.

My father is a Cuban American among several Cuban Americans that were beaten bloody and abused by Castro’s regime, and they still found time for some black humor even while they were beat up. Some even would piss off the jailors and get themselves beaten further by mocking the situation.

There’s a point where you need to pull past the resentment, or it will stagnate you. If at any moment you let injustice prevent you from being happy, you’ve ceded ground to the injustice. You can still fight for change while looking at the irony in life with a humorous outlook.

Let’s talk about Tavis — his comment about jews was really offensive. For jews, the Holocaust is not their only defining experience. Some Jews are sick of Holocaust movies as the only place where Jews are depicted. Similarly to how gay people get annoyed when put as the effeminate gay best friend playing second fiddle and living vicariously through the straight female.

Similarly, some black people get tired, and I sympathize with Viola Davis, with the propensity for dwelling in the dark moments. Some black people are sick of the ghetto horror stories, and the “I was poor and socially marginalized but managed to overcome” storylines.

Good movies don’t concern themselves with preaching to the audience. They’re not meant to be educational. They can be accidentally educational, but educating their audience should not be a chief concern to the writers.

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By: Karen Ocamb http://lgbtpov.frontiersla.com/2012/02/27/the-help-controversy-davis-smiley-and-harris-perry-on-art-vs-real-racism-in-the-jim-crow-south-videos/#comment-26754 Karen Ocamb Mon, 27 Feb 2012 21:41:44 +0000 http://lgbtpov.frontiersla.com/?p=38013#comment-26754 You're right. I corrected. Thanks. You’re right. I corrected. Thanks.

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By: wade young http://lgbtpov.frontiersla.com/2012/02/27/the-help-controversy-davis-smiley-and-harris-perry-on-art-vs-real-racism-in-the-jim-crow-south-videos/#comment-26752 wade young Mon, 27 Feb 2012 21:19:39 +0000 http://lgbtpov.frontiersla.com/?p=38013#comment-26752 Streep, not Stereo...Damn phone fingers!! Streep, not Stereo…Damn phone fingers!!

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By: wade young http://lgbtpov.frontiersla.com/2012/02/27/the-help-controversy-davis-smiley-and-harris-perry-on-art-vs-real-racism-in-the-jim-crow-south-videos/#comment-26751 wade young Mon, 27 Feb 2012 21:18:32 +0000 http://lgbtpov.frontiersla.com/?p=38013#comment-26751 Davis did not "best" Stereo at the Golden Globes. Stereo won. Davis did not “best” Stereo at the Golden Globes. Stereo won.

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